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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 17:14:14 GMT
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In article <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
: In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for
: the flashy interactive stuff. I just miss the old standby file
: transfer and script driven communications utility that you could
: count on everyone having. In fact I'd like it better if terminal
: emulations had never been added. If you watch the other newsgroups
: you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up
: every few weeks. I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that
: kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of
: them can drive just about any program on the same or a different
: platform. The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on
: unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it. Kermit can do a
: loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty
: or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do. I guess
: everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days.
:
Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the
software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other
posting of today.
: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong.
:
And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs
separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world
were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized
coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide.
: I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other
: people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing
: the code to be freely distributed.
:
Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be
REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on
commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the
Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by
profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have
chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make
the decision.
: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform
: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock
: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line.
:
Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but
were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software
-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing
projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more
graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac
Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows
3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there
would have been plenty of takers.
- Frank